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Forward tilt is a decent get off me tool, and down tilt might lead to some set ups. Dash into Up tilt instantly puts them above you for more up tilts, up smashes, and arias. I tried using my tilts out of dash in some recent matches and it turned out pretty well. Arctunder also still applies really good shield pressure, and I usually get a grab if they end up blocking. Works at all percents.Īnother setup is Arcfire-Double Jump Thoron but only at like 50-60%Ĭlick to expand.I can confirm that Elwind still spikes.

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Also Arcfire-Short Hop Nosferatu is a free heal. (That's because you cannot simply SDI out of Arcfire anymore) I highly suggest that you practice this setup. It's a true combo and kills really early. I didn't find too much use for it though because you can consistently kill your opponents with Arcfire-Arcfire-Levin BAir from both sides. I still dont know if there are other setups with it but if your opponent is off-stage and you bait the Airdodge you can snipe them with it for free.Īlso Checkmate is still in the game but only on plattforms.Īlso Ignis is in the game but works with Arcfire-DAir now. But at like 40-50% you want to switch to Thoron to get really early kills like DThrow-NAir-Thoron or FThrow-Thoron. In general you have multiple ways now to recover your weapons faster, like smash with bronze sword or kill with it to recover Levin Sword faster, or killing with a tome to recover it faster.Īrcthunder is good for low percents because it has grab combos for huge damage. Also the tome recovers insanely fast now, so thats a huge buff. I'm not that bold to go off-stage too much so I didn't practice it too much but you can also still Elwind Cancel into BAir on the ground for a nice kill. I was just wondering if any other Robin mains are feeling this way, and ways around any issues you have found.Įlwind spikes work fine. I am sure I will come to appreciate new things with the character I simply have not discovered yet. You play the character long enough, you come to grow really attached to these little details. So I am a little unsatisfied since Sm4ash Robin was about alternating between defense and offense.

(Making the turtle playstyle even stronger). I really do appreciate the quality of life changes for our tactician, but the play style feels really different and on the surface not as interesting, especially because of how buffed Archfire got. Also Tomes got heavily nerfed! These things used to pack quite a punch, gave a shield break set up, and could net some nifty kills. And how do I get the Levin out with short hop nair? Anyone have a work around for this? My C stick is on tilts so that I can use them out of dash more easily, and I think that is causing the problem. I am having a ton of trouble getting Levin out, and this did not use to be a problem for me. I felt it could be interesting with the new angles they gave it, and with how important edge guarding is in this game, it is a little disappointing if this utility is removed. I have tried spiking with Elwind, but I have yet to see if it is actually possible. It does decent shield damage, but it really feels like a slightly better elthunder now, except it might be slower. The damage is only decent and there are no follow ups possible. Archthunder feels really useless now, where before it was one of Robin's funnest tools. I am I used to defending myself without levin, but this feels about as bad as Rosalina starting without Luma. So I find I have to immediately run to projectile camping, which is terrible in some match ups. But now attacking my opponent directly at the beginning of the match is really unrewarding and risky. Before I could chose if I wanted to apply a little pressure with levin aerials, or retreat into projectile camping. I was pretty neutral going into this change but I quickly realized it makes offensive play even less viable at the start of the match. I don't like being negative on day one, but I got a semi decent sized list of complains. They have gotten major quality of life changes, but for everything positive they got it feels like they lost something.

Viability was never an issue for me, its how the character plays now. Robin main since day one of Sm4sh, and I gotta say I am a little iffy on this version of Robin.

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